I know many readers won't believe it and will say it's a hoax, but whether or not it is - we know Hell exists and even if it is a hoax, thinking it could be even similar or as simple as something we could make up, it's freaky. It will be worse than something we could ever imagine with a human brain!!
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Some questions for you:
Do you believe these are the sounds of Hell?
If Hell has a physical location (within the earth), does Heaven have a physical location? If so, where?
What part of a person survives death and ends up in Hell?
Hey David,
Firstly, I don't know if it would be the sounds of Hell, but it gives me goosebumps anyway.
Secondly, many references in the Bible actually do give me reason to belive that before the end of earth - before judgement - that 'hell' is within the centre of Earth. Eg - Num 16:32-33 KJV, 1 Sam 28:13-15, Psalm 63:9, Isaiah 26:19, Ezekiel 26:20 KJV, Matt 12:40, Eph 4:9 etc
We are spiritual beings stuck in a physical realm presently - there is so much going on in the spiritual around us all the time though, and mostly, almost totally, goes unnoticed. In saying this, we do 'co-exist' (physical/spiritual), so it, 'Hell' can be in the centre of the earth presently, but we wouldn't neccesarily be able to 'see' the souls as such, but they could possibly be heard. Remember I don't know everything, but this does fit with my understanding.
And your last question - Since we are spiritual in the physical (as mentioned above) the spiritual part (our soul), the immortal part that cannot be destroyed, (exception - Matt 10:28) continues on when our physical does not, so in this case would go on to either Heaven or Hell, depending on whether you've accepted Jesus or not.
I have a feeling you don't believe in the soul, but can I ask, do you have a sense within yourself that there has to be more? I ask because we are spiritual-in-physical and we are made to hunger for spiritual completeness and it aches in your stomach until you accept Jesus into your life. I've been there and looked for it in all different areas, but only found it in Jesus, and it is seriously amazing - I'm seriously complete! I tried new age stuff, phychics, mediums, buddism etc but everything else cannot give you the feeling of completeness. The others are actually just the feeling of a 'fast fix' that doesn't last anyway.
Good questions David, but I feel they are loaded questions, so where to from here?
On all evidence before us, our bodies and brains are essential for our thoughts, emotions and personality to function. It does not make sense to speak of something like a disembodied mind, which sounds like your conception of "the soul".
An underlying physical medium is required for all spiritual and mental states.
An analogy: when you switch off the power to your computer, all running software ceases to exist. However, before you power-off, the state of your computer could be encoded onto another physical medium and used to "resurrect" the programs you are running even when the original hardware is destroyed. If this is what you mean by the soul, then you have to explain what other physical medium "encodes" our personalities, thoughts and minds before death, so that they can be preserved across time and space.
That's in addition to the assumption that humans have a property that can survive death, even by the above mechanism. Not everyone accepts that humans automatically inherit some eternal, death-surviving property like a soul. Can't you also make a Biblically-based argument that only God grants immortality to a subset of humanity (the believers, if you like)?
Eternity does not necessarily mean forever. It may be a timeless state.
I would like to put to you, Simon, that when these matters are given some analytical thought, problems arise, which many others have investigated and debated. So the proposition I put to you is why ignore this type of intellectual pursuit, especially if it means that one's faith would have to radically change?
On the other hand what is the use of a bunch of largely unintelligable doctrine? What does it signify to believe in something for which little meaning can be attached? It then becomes a mere ritualistic recitation of a creed.
Do you really wish to remain stuck in a fundamentalist mind-set and thus make a mockery of matters of faith? One day, if not now, you will want to move on. I'm trying to encourage you to do so now.
Unfortunately Snopes has referenced this as a hoax mate!
www.snopes.com/religion/wellhell.asp
Sorry! My mum sent this a while back, and seeing she sends me a lot of 'fact' things I know to be hoaxes, Snopes has become my new best friend for things like this... :)
Thanks Sascha, but I think you missed the point again - I did say I don't care if it was fake or real.
David - I think the computer analogy doesn't work. Our bodies aren't like computers. I'm guessing you don't believe in astro projection either, because that would go against your belief that an "underlying physical medium is required for all spiritual and mental states".
I'm guessing you think that when we die, that's it then?? Sad, if that's it, then what do you believe is the reason for you living? Don't tell me there is no reason - life is not meaningless, and I refuse to belive anything otherwise.
So what sort of problems arise if we did have some intellectual persuit & who says I havn't? I don't think we'll ever know everything, but I havn't found any problems like what you are suggesting - could you elaborate on that.
What is this unintelligable doctrine you talk about also?
Your statement on eternity is a good one. I too think it will be more like a timeless state.
How do you say that I believe in something in which such little meaning can be attached!? There is complete meaning attached to my faith - and I will not stand to take you saying things like I will move on from these beliefs. I stand on the Rock that WILL NOT BE MOVED. Nothing will change my belief in what I know and what I have seen.
I will be deleting further comments like that.
You seem to shun hard-nosed skepticism and the search for good evidence, giving preference, instead, to deeply held personal belief. I don't condemn you for that, we all take that approach in various aspects of life, say when choosing a place to live or purchasing personal items like clothes.
If you were studying for a PhD in particle physics would you base it on hunches, feelings and anecdotes? Why should faith be any different?
To me, matters of faith seem to be too important to leave to stage trickery employed by preachers performing alleged healing miracles and emotional pleas to know Jesus as "personal saviour".D
Perhaps I should add this reference, an interesting read for you:
"Fundamentals of Fundamentalism" by Robert M Price
http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/websermons/fundie.htm
I'm up for the search, always have been, I was just after some of those examples you were hinting at. I'm all for it, give us a starting point, but it's not I that seems to be upset with the results from previous 'investigations'.
You still havn't been to Hallam to see first hand those 'alleged healing miracles' for yourself. I know what this personal Saviour can do, if seeing is believing, then I believe. Hunches are not required in a relationship with my God. Faith, though, is not always about seeing...
Your statement that you refuse to belief life is not meaningless sort of gives your game away, doesn't it?
If it turns out that life is meaningless (putting aside the definition of this term), then to refuse to believe that would be foolish. No stubbonly peurile, to insist on the existence of something when it doesn't exist.
You seem to be putting the cart before the horse.
It is like a soldier in a war complaining how unfairly he has been treated by enemy, rather than accepting the reality that he could die any moment.
Sorry mate - just wanted to give you a heads up on the fact this was a hoax.
You're asking for more detail, Simon, and I'd like to disclose more later, maybe at Hallam. And thinking of a previous query you had about music, all I can say at this stage is that "It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing".
Perhaps you'd like to listen to Ella Fitgerald tell you that personally.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVu1i0gjXmo
Notice how the technique of scatting used so often in jazz is similar to the practice of "speaking in tongues".
Wonder if Ella did personal healing miracles too.
WOW thats very interesting...
I don't want to frighten anyone, but that was no hoax. I know. If anyone knows, I do. Check my blog and you will see.
Would you like to be more specific John? Where is it, or are you just trying to get your hits up?
Mary, I don't need hits. I'm just sayin'... read anything there. I'm sure you'll agree. Read my last two posts.
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